The Total Depravity of certain Calvinists

My friend shared something she saw on Facebook, when I read her post, it devastated and sickened me.  I’m going to share in a moment.  Although I agree with no part of TULIP, this particular Calvinist’s comment made me think of his seeming total depravity.  But more likely that his conscience is seared.

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Matt 24:11-12

I am not here to accuse all Calvinists of thinking the way of this particular Calvinist.  But I do pray some take TULIP to its logical conclusion.   If you are going to comment, don’t bother to call me an Arminian, I am not that either.

Here is what this Calvinist posted…


This is a screenshot, I blocked out the baby’s parent’s names.   jeffswayzee-grandchilddamned


By the way, he posted this in multiple places.  He seemed proud to declare this. Perhaps his daughter or daughter-in-law didn’t think it was great to post in all these public groups, as he has subsequently removed them recently as far as we can see.

This kind of thinking and lack of understanding that this ‘it’ is a baby from the moment God formed him/her, is exactly why we are a murdering/aborting nation.

He who does not love does not know God, for God is love In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.  1 John 4:8-9

By the way, this same Calvinist later stated that God may have decreed his upcoming grandchild be a mass murderer.*  This same Calvinist grandpa said regarding God decreeing RAPE, God must then direct the rapist not just who to rape but how to perform the rape and how long… Amen but I would go even farther than that, God originated every detail in His mind from all eternity and decreed it to be so.”

*This is a position of other Calvinists like James White (Alpha and Omega ministries) regarding God causing people to rape children or any other wretched thing.   People like Paul Washer say that God is glorified in the ‘backdrop’ of sinful depravity.  (I can state that I believe these men to understand depravity in their own condemned minds.  I do not believe God decreed it, but He may have given them over since they do not have a love for the truth….

As a Christian, and a mom of many children, the statement of this man horrified me.  I thought, certainly the Calvinists who saw this would be just as mortified at this calloused, hard-hearted statement.  No, to my dismay, from each and every Calvinist that commented, there was either a general sense of apathy, or even joking.  One woman quipped that the ultrasound looked just like the soon to be grandfather.   (Edited in: Perhaps this is why Beth was removed, the rest who have had a general apathy are on those same screen shots, in the previously public group. It is now closed likely due to this article.)

Others totally untouched by the coldness of the man.  Finally one commented that although he believed in unconditional election, he did not believe people were doomed to hell.  However, the simple truth is that in their doctrine, if only these certain few people are chosen to be saved, the others are rejected and have no chance of salvation.  Whether they are comfortable admitting that fact, the obvious conclusion is that the rest are damned to hell by God in advance with no choice in the matter.

Later Cheryl asked this man Jeff Swayzee (edited in since it has been all over Facebook) to share the Gospel with her, since he routinely says any that oppose his doctrine, are ‘likely’ reprobate, lost, damned and a heretic.  She thought if so, he might want to share the Gospel, the power of God unto salvation, with such a one as he says she is. The following is his response:

Jeff S.. “the Gospel is a precious pearl And jesus said not to cast it before swine.”

(I left the wording as he spelled it, the jesus he preaches doesn’t need to be capitalized, it is another jesus, another spirit).

I know God so loves the entire world.   He exhorts us to pray for all men, and givetitus 2-11 ALL
thanks for them.  He says it is good and acceptable in His sight, because  He desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:1-4).

He tells us to be sure to love each other, so others will know we belong to Him (John 13:34-35).

This same God tells us to love our enemies, bless
those that curse us, do good to those who hate us, and even pray for those who spitefully use us and persecute us, saying when we do so we are His sons, this tells us of His good character to all men (Matt 5:44-45).

Does this sound like a God who doesn’t love and care for those very same people He tells us to love and do good to?

There is no darkness in God, He is light (1 John 1:5), that True light that gives light to every man that comes into the world (John 1:9).

He made each and every one of us. He knit us all together in the womb. He made us in His image. He is the God of Love that the beloved disciple John spoke of. Jesus, our Jesus, had compassion on the multitudes even for their hunger. He wept when Mary and the mourners wept over Lazarus death. He knew He was going to bring him back to life, but it hurt Him just to see them hurting, and He wept with them.

But You, O Lord, are a God full of compassion, and gracious, Longsuffering and abundant in mercy and truth.  Psalm 86:15

Jesus Wept …

Rom12-15He wept over Jerusalem, the people who rejected Him and despised Him. Who among us weeps over those who hate us? Do we weep for ourselves or for them?

Jesus wept for them. He said He wanted to gather them as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings.

Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.  Luke 19:41-42

 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; and assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”  Luke 13:34-35 

Evil doctrine teaches people such wicked and vile things about our Father in Heaven, and we know this is not the God of the Bible, the One we know and love. The One who had such great love for us, He laid down His life for us (John 15:13, John 10:17-18, John 3:14-18; 1 John 2:2).

But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!  2 Tim 3:1-5

I don’t get it. Everyone seems to have a god of their own making…but usually they make their evil gods appear to be good.  Calvinism takes my good and loving Father, the One whose way is perfect, and makes Him more in the image of the god of this world.

My God stores my tears in a bottle and numbers my wandering… (Ps 56:8). He has precious thoughts towards me, more than the number of grains of sands in the whole earth (Ps 139:17-18).  His song is over me at night, a prayer to the God of my life, He commands His lovingkindness in the daytime (Ps 42:7-8). He COMMANDS His lovingkindness, yet these people paint a picture of my Lord like this? (tears)…

The Lord is gracious and full of compassion, He is slow to anger and GREAT in Mercy, He is good to ALL, and His tender mercies are all over His works (Ps 148:8-9).  His lovingkindness and tender mercies are of old (Ps 25:8).  People don’t appreciate the new mercies that await them in the morning.  The sun that rises, the rain that falls, He allows both for the just and the unjust in His great mercy (Matt 5:45).

My dear Savior, when my husband died, was with me, He comforted me.  He satiated my weary soul, and He replenished my sorrowful soul (Jer 31:25). My precious Lord was the strength of my heart and my portion forever, when I thought my flesh and my heart was actually failing (and it sure felt like it), like it says, Whom I have in heaven besides Thee? Ps 73:25-26

My God, knowing when my dear beloved best friend and husband would die, prepared me that day with His Word, even to the only thing I could pray when I waited outside the ER as they tried to revive him.

I prayed the words God gave me, “Oh God, You are my God, my flesh yearns for you, my soul longs for you, my soul CLINGS to You, Your right hand upholds me” — and it did – (part of Ps 63:1- and 8).

ps147-3My God loves every single person.  He made them in the womb – – formed their inward parts (Ps 139:13).  He knows everything about us. He heals the broken hearted, and binds up our wounds.  Just like He numbers the stars and calls them out by name (Ps 147), He numbers even the very hairs on our head (which change every moment (Luke 12:7).

I hate these kinds of evil, ugly, slanderous things that people say about God.  Not just because it’s NOT the God I know, it’s NOT the God of the Bible we see from beginning to end.  It’s NOT the God who gave Himself for me and saved me by His death on the cross.  He is mighty to save.  My Jesus has redeemed me, us all, from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (Gal 3:13).

My God searches me and knows me, even my thoughts before I have them.  He sees my laying down and my getting back up again, He knows even the words I will speak before they even leave my mouth (Ps 139). There is nowhere we can go from God, even when we make our bed in hell, there He is (Ps 139:8).  He is forevermore with those who believe on Him, and will never leave us or forsake us (Heb 13:5). No matter what it seems, God is always with us, He gives good gifts and is unchanging, His shadow never shifts (James 1:17).

God SO loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son (Jesus, to die on the cross for our sin), that whosoever would believe on Him, will NOT perish, but HAVE everlasting life.  Some will try to say world does not mean world here.  Jesus was also the propitiation not just for believers but the whole world.  God drew ALL to Him when He lifted up Christ on the cross.  Don’t listen to those who will twist His Word in their wisdom of words and excellency of speech.

Jesus didn’t come to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. World means world.  Jesus loved the little children, and warned those who would harm them or KEEP THEM from coming to Him in any way. Woe to this poor deceived person who would apply this wickedness to God, and have such a lack of care for this sweet little innocent baby, his own flesh and blood.  Oh yes I know he SAID he loved this baby, just like they SAY they believe in God’s grace.  They can’t possibly know of His love.

Those of us who have become flesh of His flesh and bone of His bones, His body, love Him because He first loved us.  We love and treasure His Word because it tells us more about Him, and there are not enough days to tell about God’s goodness to all the children of men (Psalm 107). Not a sparrow falls to the ground that He doesn’t know and care. We live in a fallen world, people get sick, people die, but He cares, and He LOVES each and every single person!!

The life which I now live, is by faith in the Son of God (my Jesus), who lovedgal 2 me and gave Himself for me (Gal 2). He died so that I might live. He gave Himself a ransom for ALL (1 Tim 2:6).  God is rich in mercy and because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our sins He made us alive together with Christ, by grace we have been saved (Eph 2:4-5).  Oh I just weep when I read things like this about Him. May they find out the truth about the God that loves them, even though they malign His character, and deceive others about His goodness…. Tears sometimes stream down my face making sick my heart, when I see or hear those ugly, awful lies about the God who first loved me, His love poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. As a sinner without strength, He commended His LOVE for ME (and everyone else who happens to have sinned ever in their life – I’m thinking that’s the whole world! Rom 5).

He gave us His Word, so that all might be able to come to salvation (2 Tim 3:15), that all through hearing His Word could come to faith (Rom 10:17).  His Word is treasure (Ps 119:162), and it was written for our learning, comfort and hope (Rom 15:4).  He gave His Word power to penetrate even the thoughts and intents of our hearts (Heb 4:12).

He desires all men to seek Him, grope for Him, and find Him (Acts 17:25-27).  His Word compels believers to live in such a way that others might know Him.

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.  Matt 5:16

For our boasting is this: the testimony of our conscience that we conducted ourselves in the world in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom but by the grace of God, and more abundantly toward you.  2 Cor 1:12

There is nobody God doesn’t love who is still breathing right now.   He has sent His Son to be the sacrifice for your sin, your debt (Rom 6:23) and offers eternal life to all who will believe upon Him and what He has done for them.  But for those who reject Jesus Christ (through unbelief, or belief in a different way than God has offered), you will face the wrath and judgment of God.  It is appointed unto every man, once to die, then the judgment (Heb 9:27).


“You are not capable of studying God’s word alone, you need the guidance of others smarter than you. I am really starting to question the wisdom of putting the Scriptures in the hands of the common man. Some people just need to be told what to believe and leave the studying to other.”

Not far from the Road to Rome are they?

Some Calvinist may not think to present their gospel like this, but in honesty, this is what they believe, so shouldn’t this be how they present their gospel?

Maybe, just maybe… Christ died on the cross for your sin.  No, the word world does not mean world.  We have an explanation for “whole world”, “all” and “every man” as well — we’ll send you to our intellectual gurus.   According to our man Calvin, Christ only died for a few, and He only shed His blood for those He chose for heaven way back in eternity past.  No real way to say if you might be one of the few, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.  If you are, He will gift you with faith, so that you will be able to believe.  He will regenerate you first.  How will you know?  Can’t really say….  I don’t know if you are one of the ones He commended His love to, because He hates the rest of mankind.  You might pray for faith, but if I was being honest, that could not really work either.  Our gospel is only good news for a few He chose in eternity past.  If you end up believing, you still do not REALLY know if God is fooling you into thinking you have believed, this is called evanescent grace.  You will not know until you die.  None of us will, we can examine ourselves by our works which is called perseverance of the saints.  Good luck! END CALVINIST GOSPEL

And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.  Luke 2:10-11

Jesus came, He made Himself known through fulfilling the prophecies that foretold of the signs, wonders and miracles He would perform — miracles no one had ever done in the history of men.  There will be no excuse for any one in that day, for not having sought Him.  Seek Him while He may be found, He has made known His love to the whole world by sending His Son.   He’s coming again soon.  

He loves you.  

Don’t wait.  Seek Him while He may be found.